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Here's a hint, construct your arguments instead of making an entire paragraph, it makes your points much easier to read

'Seriously.. Hal matching Parallax is not an outlier. He did it dozens of times.'

Dude, you aren't getting my point. It doesn't matter how many times he has fought Parallax, It's a blatant inconsistency and creates a plot hole with Emerald Twilight. Why would Hal Jordan be able to beat an emotional entity when he's clearly portrayed as below them and is POWERED by one. Additionally, it would contradict Emerald Twilight heavily, where Hal Jordan had to literally go beyond his regular power just to become Parallax to begin with (which would make no sense if his base just happened to be as powerful as an amp)

'How? Korona empowered with all emotional entities should be close to the level of the Spectre, he had the power of all emotional entities.'

You literally haven't provided anything that suggests that, that's basically baseless as all hell

You do realize she got her powers from the Greek Gods right?

My point exactly, if she gets her powers FROM the gods, then why would she be stronger than the people who provide her power to begin with. Additionally, there has been nothing that states that Wonder Women are on the level of The Greek Gods regardless, so that point is invalid

As for Korona:

How does any of this prove that a single emotional entity>all emotion entities put together

'I could count 10 Universal feats with ease. There are just 11 Solar System level feats and over 10 Uni feats.'

Already provided a source that debunks most "Universal" feats you've presented

'A. Captain Atom is at least Low 2-C at normal state. Captain Atom was going to destroy several universes, and oneshotted Jenny Quantum, a Universal being'

That WAS NOT a normal Captain Atom, he was empowered by The Void. You either are taking this out of context or haven't read the story in which this appeared

'Superman battled Imperiex more than once (The same Imperiax who turned Doomsday into a skeleton), even took a direct blow from its energy essence and then shrugged it off like it was nothing. Imperiex being part of the Big Bang itself and was capable of creating a new Big Bang as long as it destroyed the Earth, that had become after Crisis on Infinite Earths the linchpin of the entire universe. And '

You literally haven't proven to me whether it was an Imperiex Probe or Imperiex-Prime...Literally that's all you have to do because his probes are not as powerful as his actual self

'As for applying it for a sun dip Superman, it's okay. Still Superman though '

It's still an amp and wouldn't apply to Superman's normal statistics

Manhattan has recently revealed that Earth-0 is not actually a Universe but a Metaverse centered entirely on Superman.

Basically a Metaverse is the root of the tree that is the Multiverse.

And everything that happened to Superman has a profound effect not just on the Multiverse but also higher dimensions, even the one where the gods live.

'So the Metaverse that shapes the Multiverse as a whole and even beyond is shaped through the existence of one being alone. So the existence of Superman shapes the entire DCU.'

They literally isn't even a feat. What that is saying is that Superman is important to the history of the multiverse. Him not existing would effect the multiverse, however this is like giving someone Low 2-C status for being present in a timeline. It doesn't scale remotely to any statistics and it only means that Superman prevents multiversal scale paradoxes and the likes

Even Darkseid, a god that has conquered and consumed countless Universes needed Superman help to break free of the Source Wall.

Your second scan is literally unreadable. It's so small that I can't even see what's being said

'So first let's start with Death. Superman has faced an actual Avatar of Death and won'

You explained why that feat is invalid, what feats do the avatar of death have because an avatar is never equal to the original being unless stated other wise

He has faced Lords of Hell and not only survived their attacks but he was also able to survive an explosion that killed Blaze (another Lord of Hell).

That story was literally a dream sequence and nothing suggests that what happened even scales to Superman

'Superman used his Heat Vision to fix the fabric that separates the Godly dimension that exists in the 4th dimension, from the Multiverse. So Superman Heat Vision can cut through the fabric of the universe and destroy it. Just like I showed he can also currently do in his Rebirth version.'

Patching a part of space and time is not even a feat, it's hax. For this to even be a feat, Superman would need to repair space and time on a universal scale

'Superman has also faced Mageddon that was such a threat even celestial beings like the angel Azrael was afraid it. And it wasn't just one angel. The entire celestial court of the angels and even other gods feared Mageddon for he could bring an end to everything in the DCU.'

Superman had to absorb anti-sun energy in order to even win here. This is again an amp and doesn't scale to Superman's normal power

'Superman has even escaped a trap set up by Vandal Savage . A trap in Hypertime. Where Hypertime is in essence infinite time and space.'

How is this a feat, he broke through an endless loop in Hypertime, that is not a feat whatsoever

So current Rebirth Superman broke free of infinity.

Okay for scans for this

And then let us not forget when Brainiac stole psionic energy of every mind on Earth, even that of metas like Martian Manhunter, but a temporarily empowered Lois by Brainiac himself, turned on Brainiac and transfered all the mental energy of over seven billion people into Superman.

That energy according to Brainiac himself was more than enough to reshape the universe into whatever one wanted it to be.

That's not a feat, that's an amp and would not scale to Superman's regular power

And you are forggetting that pre-Crisis Green Lantern was 2-C, and since post Crisis Hal and pre-Crisis Hal are the same person, post Crisis WOULD SCALE TO 2-C AS WELL.

Not how that works, nothing suggests he's the same level of power and if anything, it's implied that Rebirth heroes only have the MEMORIES of their original counterparts, not power (and this is even shown in the works itself, as they have done nothing on the level of their silver age counterparts)

And again, you are ignoring the thread that debunks most of what you are presenting, this is getting to levels of Ad Nasuem

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:3435488

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:2809217

'New Genesis and Apokolips Platonic, archetypal worlds that transcend the concepts of space and time and are consistently on that level. Superman tanks the collision of Apokolips and New Genesis as well as shakes the star system in his fight with Darkseid there while he's Boomtube amped in size, and since Universes are in size of BUBBLES so the feats are indeed above Low 2-C. '

>1-A New Gods

>HAHAHAHA NOOOO

Regarding the rest of that, so you admit that Superman was amped here and that this isn't his normal power. Okay, thanks ​​​​

'The Void Hound is stated to have destroyed 10 star systems, so it should be 4-A, and some like to argue that it did it over time. The opposite was implied, considering it was implied to be casual, and we go the route if just assuming feats like that are over time, it wouldn't even be 4-B, because the planets could be destroyed one by one and the stars one by one. As a matter of fact, the stars could be destroyed after a long time of firing attacks, so we could go the route of saying it isn't even 4-C with the same logic.'

It's actually implied that he destroy 10 solar systems one by one, that's 4-B. You have to provide evidence he destroyed all 10 Solar Systems at the same time

'The Sun Eater is literally stated to be the size of a nebula. Could easily be 4-A from just that alone, and with the exact case of the Void Hound, star systems is plural. Are people make the same argument, and with that, I use the same argument from the last paragraph.'

Nebula's range in size, not all of them are bigger than solar systems. Case in point

'The Infinite Mass punch is a good one, because people like to use this one as a nail-in-the-coffin sort of argument where they mention how "this is Superman's most powerful attack because when he uses it, it fatigues him and it's only calculated to be 4-B". Well, Jenni Ognat is basically just stated to be able to destroy the universe with a really similar type of running capability, so is basically acknowledged there that the Infinite Mass Punch should be able to destroy the universe.'

No, what is being said is that she is moving so fast she'll create a spatial tear and destroy the universe. That's hax, not power that applies to her normally. When you also consider speedsters are more powerful when they run than at a standstill, it makes sense and would debunk them being normally that powerful

Mogo's feat is literally him restoring the universe from dying, and even if we look at it like it is a feat of him only lighting up the universe, the universes in DC are consistently infinite to 5 duodcellion light years in diameter so it's definitely not only 4-B.

False, Mogo is literally lighting up the universe. This is different than what you are implying and it's consistently shown that lighting up the universe produces 4-B scale energy at most (unless the universe is REALLLY big)

Alan Scott's statement is literally just him dying and shouldn't be his full power whatsoever.

Death feats can be used so long it's their power and not some special ability that happens at death

Superman throwing the compressed solar system is really casual.

Just means he's above baseline, doesn't prove he's stronger

Superman was severely weakened during the explosion the size of 50 Keplar supernovae.

Refer to above point

'About Krona. Hal defeated Krona after Krona gained control of Ion and was boosted by his power, and Ion is the multiversal embodiment of willpower exactly like how Parallax is the embodiment of fear. Hal even defeated Krona when Krona had the power of all seven electromagnetic embodiments under his control, which very well includes both Ion and Parallax. So Hal Jordan's feat is, with a horrible and ridicolus downplay, Low 2-C to 2-C.'

That's what I'm talking about, it's an inconsistent plot point and creates a plot hole. It's not usable, end of discussion