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@SuperBearNeo X

Hal defeated Parallax multiple times, and Korona is indeed close to the level of the Spectre.

Barry just became part of the speedforce.

You are ignoring the other feats.

-Kyle Rayner defeated an aberration that was breaking down the laws of space and time and the universe, remaking it into a world devoid of cause and effect and reason, and these changes were reverted by Kyle Rayner.

-Kyle Rayner containing Imperiax, a Universal being who has the power of the Big Bang itself

-Hal Jordan containing the Universe Busting U-Bomb

-Superman claiming that he could destroy the Phantom Zone,which is an Anti-Universe

-^ Hyperbole? He almost did at once

-Superman was able to destroy imperiex and could hit with the force of 2 big bangs which would make his striking power Universal x2

-Hal Jordan defeating Captain Atom, who could create a Universe in a nanosecond and can create a Multiverse

Hal Jordan Bending reality during his fight with Sinestro

-Kon-El harming Superboy-Prime, who tanked a blast from COIE Anti-Monitor

-Kal-L and Kal-El altering reality , re-writing timelines breaking space and time and shaking the Multiverse during their brawl

And i never said pre-Crisis Kal and post-Crisis Hal are the same person. I was referring to Hal Jordan. The Green Lantern Corps' storyline continued like nothing happened after Crisis, Hal explicitly remembers the events prior to Crisis, there are multiple instances of Power Rings being said to have the power to survive Crisis, along with several storylines from Post-Crisis (Including that one on the Desk of Death Battle where Ch'p got cucked) that can only work under the context of the Green Lanterns being unaffected by Crisis on Infinite Earths.

All of this tells us two very valuable things about Hal Jordan when it comes to his tiers.

1. Hal is the same character as he was in Pre-Crisis, meaning all of his feats, scaling, and abilities should apply regardless 2. All Green Lanterns have multiversal existence erasure-resistance

This means that all discussions about unfair compositing, how one would go about compositing Hal's weakness to yellow (It was always due to Parallax which Hal is now immune to), and the like are effectively null from here on out.

Should also be noted that all of New 52's feats would also apply to this version of Hal, as his Pre-Flashpoint and Post-Flashpoint counterparts merged during the events of Rebirth, making Rebirth's Green Lantern a canonical composite of the other two. And while current Hal has plenty of impressive feats, such as nearly breaking into the Speed Force on his own.

I'm going to start this by just listing off all feats that people use to argue Superman is only 4-B. Superman shaking a solar system during his battle with Darkseid, Superman throwing a compressed solar system, surviving the collision between New Genesis and Apokolips, withstanding an explosion the size of 50 Keplar supernovae, holding a black hole capable of destroying the solar system, surviving attacks from the Void Hound, which is capable of easily destroying 10 star systems, tanking a blast from a Sun Eater, which can destroy star systems, Alan Scott's death being stated to be capable of destroying the solar system, Mogo lighting up the universe, John Stewart creating a solar system, and this calc for the Infinite Mass Punch.

So we have a total of 11 feats. That's basically nothing to the amount of feats listed here, but I'll entertain it. I'll start by debunking several of these feats as being Solar System level.

As detailed on my Superman page in his Theta State key, New Genesis and Apokolips Platonic, archetypal worlds that transcend the concepts of space and time and are consistently on that level. Superman tanks the collision of Apokolips and New Genesis as well as shakes the star system in his fight with Darkseid there while he's Boomtube amped in size, and since Universes are in size of BUBBLES so the feats are indeed above Low 2-C.

The Void Hound is stated to have destroyed 10 star systems, so it should be 4-A, and some like to argue that it did it over time. The opposite was implied, considering it was implied to be casual, and we go the route if just assuming feats like that are over time, it wouldn't even be 4-B, because the planets could be destroyed one by one and the stars one by one. As a matter of fact, the stars could be destroyed after a long time of firing attacks, so we could go the route of saying it isn't even 4-C with the same logic.

The Sun Eater is literally stated to be the size of a nebula. Could easily be 4-A from just that alone, and with the exact case of the Void Hound, star systems is plural. Are people make the same argument, and with that, I use the same argument from the last paragraph.

The Infinite Mass punch is a good one, because people like to use this one as a nail-in-the-coffin sort of argument where they mention how "this is Superman's most powerful attack because when he uses it, it fatigues him and it's only calculated to be 4-B". Well, Jenni Ognat is basically just stated to be able to destroy the universe with a really similar type of running capability, so is basically acknowledged there that the Infinite Mass Punch should be able to destroy the universe.

Mogo's feat is literally him restoring the universe from dying, and even if we look at it like it is a feat of him only lighting up the universe, the universes in DC are consistently infinite, so it's definitely not only 4-B.

Now we're down to just 6 feats. Next, I'll just go over why some of these aren't even limiting.

Alan Scott's statement is literally just him dying and shouldn't be his full power whatsoever.

Superman throwing the compressed solar system is really casual.

Superman was severely weakened during the explosion the size of 50 Keplar supernovae.

Mogo's is literally just him thinking.

Superman was being weakened by the guy sending mental images of dying people into his brain, putting a greater strain on Superman than anything has.

Now we're down to basically 1, and it's really inconsistent for Green Lantern rings only being that weak since they have Universal+ feats, and Lex Luthor has referred to Green Lantern rings as extra-dimensional weapons, so 4-B is certainly the inconsistency here.

There are at least 56 solid Universal+ feats either performed by Superman or performed by people he scales to. I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't view 4-B as being an outlier and inconsistent rather than Low 2-C, which is extremely consistent.