User blog:SuperBearNeo X/Down With The Bendy Stupidity

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Hello guys, It's SuperBearNeo here and it's about time I've get back to debunking terrible arguments made on retrospective verses I happen to be knowledgeable in. Not long again, some user known as Sniper Reborn (or what many people just refer to as "Bendy") made a post about Arceus and on this post he makes the argument that Arceus's abilities are garbage relative to tier and that he's a shitton 2-B (However, I don't care for that portion, but merely the hax part). Now, today, I will tear into both this post and Bendy to expose the falsity in this post and why this post is completely dumb. Buckle up kids, this is going to be a really rough ride and trust me when I say that.

Note: I'm only going to be focusing on the stuff I disagree with, so not all of the post is going to be shown here, however, If you want to see it all, click here, but he warned, it's cancerous

The Argument + Refutations
'This man is also unironically referred to as the “2nd strongest 2-B on vsbattleswiki” which is just, fucking laughable. So let’s begin with this. Before I begin, let me stop something that I feel a lot of you will think, no I do not think arceus’ tier is too high, if anything I think vbw downplays his tier a bit, however in terms of solid potency of hax, Arceus is fucking fodder.'

>Right off the bat, I can tell your arguments are just based on feelings, not fact (If you get that reference, kudos). Arceus objectively speaking is one of the strongest 2-Bs on the site and that can be justified by his sheer value within said tier alone. It's alot to explain but let's just say that Arceus's AP is high into 2-B and that it alone would grant him to power to oneshot most relative to tier. Later, I'll will explain why Arceus being fodder within hax is just laughable itself

Let’s get this over with:

”Invulnerability: The Creation Trio cannot be harmed by beings weaker than them.”

Only helpful AP wise and that’s if someone doesn’t have specific attacks that can ignore invulnerability, minute you throw in any hax he’s fucked.

>The fact you focus on Arceus's less potent hax shows that at this point your just reaching. Of course invulnerability isn't much and yes I agree, it's not good, but that's literally a minor hax of Arceus. Literally your stupid for focusing on that, to make your argument look more sound. I'm not even going to bother with stuff that obviously isn't going to be soloing verses and shit

“Body Control”

Basic potency, and is barely going to be a lick bit helpful combat wise.

>Ummm, you do realize that infinitely lesser Pokemon like Deoxys can manipulate DNA to a degree where he can increase stastics like Speed, Defense and Attack. Arceus logically should be able to replicate his level given that he literally is the source of all Pokemon Types and Abilities. Also yes, it's combat applicable, as anyone who's played Pokemon knows that his genetics manipulate is LITERALLY USED FOR GAMEPLAY COMBAT

“Immortality (Types 1 and 4)”

So one non-combat applicable immo, and resurrection/reincarnation immo, that can be easily be beaten via any other rule of victory on SBA.

>You do realize that Arceus has greater Immortality than just fucking Type 1 and Type 4.


 * Type 3: Arceus should have comparable durability to The Lake Guardians, who can remain even after "Spirit" (which in Pokemon is, Emotion, Willpower and Knowledge...aka the very things they embody) is destroyed by The Creation Trio
 * Type 5: The Creation Trio were explictly stated to be neither dead or alive, thus killing them through conventional methods is useless

""The birth of PALKIA. The creator of parallel dimensions... Alive, yet not alive... Everything drifts in space... To arrive in the same universe. It is the blessing of PALKIA.""

- Shinnoh Myths

""This is... That where life sparkles... That where life has faded... A place where two worlds overlap...""

- Shinnoh Myths

  “True Flight”
 * Type 8: He's literally reliant on the existence of The Plates, which are his essence
 * Type 9: His true form is literally The Original One and Arceus is merely an avatar of The Original One

Damn flight’s defo gonna destroy a 2-B!!1!!!

>Woooow....You focus on a totally unimportant power to make your argument look stronger, that's nice

“Teleportation”

I can name several 9-Bs that have way more potent teleportation if needed

>Please name atleast 10 9-Bs who have Multiversal+ teleportation...I'll wait

“Telekinesis: (various times over, also removed several harnesses with a yellow-green light) ”

'Unless he can do shit like conceptually move concepts or shit this is pretty fodder. Like legit, this is not something broken for 2-B.'

>In his sleep, he literally was moving dimensions and caused them to literally collapse. That's 2-C Telekinesis, try again

“Telepathy: Can read the minds of others to dodge attacks.”

Let me know how he’s dodging hax pls, cause you are most certainly not the 2nd best 2-B for having good AP alone.

>Have you ever heard of the ability"Omnipotence", literally when activated, Arceus can pacify evade attacks, regenerate every turn and ignore immunities (Just look up Arceus bos fight in Pokemon Conquest, he showcases that power there). Also there are a shitton of Psychic Moves that achieve this such as Future Sight (which also has other effects) that Arceus can use

“Astral Projection”

Hax that’s only helpful in lower tier fights, not fights where majority of that tier can do shit like harm spirits and ghost.

>Excuse me, but projecting yourself on an Astral Plane is NOT the same as being Non-Corporeal. Arceus being able to do that means that his spirit can leave his body onto another plane. Furthermore, Arceus can project himself across all Space and Time (which is 2-A range) as his "heart" is one with Space and Time. This means unless they have that range when it comes to that ability, then it means jackshit

“Matter Manipulation”

'Oh shit this totes gonna be broken for a 2-B?!?!?!?!??! Molecule man potency1!!11!!!! This quite literally comes from the fact that the creation trio makes made matter too, rip. Creation of an object tends to suck in-verse because your character will never usually manipulate it properly in-character.'

>So lemme get this straight, you use Standard Battle Assumption earlier ("that can be easily be beaten via any other rule of victory on SBA") to say that his Immortality is useless....Yet you forget that one of the most basic rules is that verse equalization is in effect, meaning that whatever they can do in their own verse carries over into battle...My god dude, please stop

>Secondly, you do realize that The Creation Trio created the concept of matter right, (as everything they created as on a conceptual level). Being able to establish the concept of matter would be very useful in battle and I have yet to see many who resist this on an idealistic level

“Energy Manipulation”

Still the fodder DBZ kind RIP.

>My lord...Did you really just compare Arceus's energy manipulation to DBZ's caliber, despite the fact Judgement correlates to and is infused with the The Plates. Which by proxy makes them conceptual in nature as The Plates are merely all types themselves but in physical form

“Non-Corporeal”

Totes not like majority of this tier can harm these types of beings no siree.

I can name an entire verse that has 2-Bs who lack Non-Corporeality. Ever heard of Dragon Ball Heroes....I rest my case.

“Elemental Manipulation (Of the variety of the 17 types)”

'So basically all of the pokemon’s hax which is all basic potency asf. Nice, totes see from these couple of haxxes why he’s the 2nd most broken 2-B!11!!!'

>Your uneducated if you actually think Arceus's elemental manipulation is basic. He literally created the concept of types and as such, all his elemental abilities are on a conceptual level. Also, literally every type is part of him and they are oe

“Creation (Can create things out of nothing, such as creating one of the members of the Creation Trio)”

Too bad he’s only ever did this with one member of the creation trio and doesn’t spam this in character.

>Arceus literally can create concepts, your point exactly

>Also you never given a reason why Arceus (aka someone who's wize and basically Omniscient) would not use stuff like that. Arceus has shown in character that he is a verstile and even strategic fighter. There should be absolutely no reason why Arceus "in-character" wouldn't use stuff like this

“Portal Creation”

DBZ characters can do this

>I would love for them to do this on a 2-A scale...What's that, you can't show me, then don't make the claim

“Space-Time Manipulation (Stabilized a hole in space-time that was destroying a town, stopped time, broke Palkia's bent space)”

Oh shit totes gonna be helpful at 2-B, totally not like a lot of these guys are 4D beings above linear time already.

>I REALLY hope toy didn't just imply that 4-D beings can't be effected by Time and Space Manipulation. Dude, I hope you realize unless a character shows resistance, then he's prone to such ability. The 4th Dimension still has Time and Space genius, hence why I said that

>Secondly, Arceus created the concept of Space and Time, literally anyone who knows the lore knows that. Stop actively lying and trying to make his abilities seem less impressive

“Pocket Reality Manipulation”

He needs to get his pocket reality off then BFR the dude into it before they use their hax first RIP.

>Legit why would Arceus need to do that when literally he has the ability to control all universes and can reach into other realms with telekinesis. He could do this without even having the make a movement

“Life Manipulation (Created the Jewel of Life from its plates)”

'Damn man this shit sure is potent!!11!! Upon looking at several articles talking about the jewel of life it’s just some random jewel arceus made with all of his plates in it making it unbreakable, yup this defo gonna solo all 2-Bs1!1111”'

>Please stop undermining shit to make it look impressive. Arceus has shown he can grant life to sentient ideas, he literally made Time and Space a living entity (Palkia and Dialha)

“Earth Manipulation (Via Earth Power. Can also create psychic orbs that bring meteors down)”

Basic potency with some decent meteor spams, not going to do much at higher tiers

>Given that Arceus created the concept of Ground Types, his Earth Manipulation is conceptual for reasons I've explained, try again

“Darkness Manipulation (Able to use the Judgement attack when imbued with darkness from the Dread Plate)”

'So it’s just an attack imbued with darkness? Basic potency, nothing special.'

>Literally Arceus created the concept of Dark Types, so again, on a conceptual level. Plus he scales to every Dark Type Move for aforementioned reasons

“Mind Manipulation (Upscaled from the Lake Trio)”

Looked at the Lake Trio and it didn’t explain what their mind manipulation was so I looked into the RTs, they can control the creation trio, so from having mind manip that works on 4Ds(which is something you’d want at 4D lol), basic potency, nothing special.

>Dude, are you shitting me right now, he created the concept of Psychic Types. If that wasn't enough, Uxie is the very concept of knowledge and given that Arceus created this (in addition to The Lake Guardians being aspects of them), that would also give them conceptual Mind/Information Manipulation

“Attack Negation (Can nullify virtually any attack that can fall under an elemental type, making it nigh-impossible to damage Arceus with conventional attacks. Its Metal Barrier can negate any effect [within reason] period)”

'This is like the one decent hax I’ve found so far, and the attack needs to be elemental type for it to even work RIP, elemental manip is typically regarded as fodder too(unless it’s on a higher scale) but elemental manip in pokemon is basic potency. So he can nullify basic potency elemental manip, ok, this would make him slightly above below average so far.'

>You do realize that The Plates can nullify any attack that falls under those types. This includes Psychic Type Moves (Mind Manipulation or anything that falls under Psyhic Type), Dark Type (Darkness Manipulation and stuff that falls under) and ETC...Your once again undermining

“Illusion Creation (Upscaled from the Lake Trio)”

[//vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:TheMightyRegulator/Respect_Giratina_(Featuring_the_Lake_Trio,_Dialga,_Palkia_and_Arceus)_Final_Part_(Completed) https://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:TheMightyRegulator/Respect_Giratina_(Featuring_the_Lake_Trio,_Dialga,_Palkia_and_Arceus)_Final_Part_(Completed)]

Holy shit that’s fodder illusion creation, that’d be laughable at lower tiers, much less fucking 2-B.

>Even lesser Pokemon like Zoaroak can cast illusions good enough to fool even the smartest of minds. Nice try tho

“Attack Reflection”

'Have to love when vbw doesn’t verify why something is attack reflection and you need to do some looking up. Anyways if I recall, this comes from some of the pokemon moves that bounce your attack back at you, and mind you majority of pokemon moves are basic potency hax. Fodder, moving on.'

>You do realize that Arceus's has shown when using the plates (aka literally just his essence), he can redirect attaks. Given that Arceus passively nullifies attacks when a plate that corresponds to said attack type hits, it's likely to assume the same can be applied to reflection when using The Plates

>Also, explain how many of the attacks that reflect moves are "basic", just stating shit without elaboration isn't a sound argument

“Memory Manipulation (Upscaled from Uxie)”

>[//vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Uxie https://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Uxie]

“can wipe the memories of those that see it's opened eyes”

Oh shit man this could actually be goo-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gLddL4JROY

Oh wait his eyes are opened and no memory is being lost, meaning he doesn’t have it at the same capacity, RIP.

>Have you ever heard of PIS, like literally just because it isn't shown doesn't erase the potent of PIS or writers not focusing on that. That one instance doesn't erase the fact Uxie is an aspect of Arceus and that everything they can do, Arceus can as well, but better

“Information Manipulation (Also upscaled from Uxie)”

[//vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Uxie https://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Uxie]

“Information Manipulation (Can take away and give knowledge)”

So decent at best info manip and Arceus doesn’t even open or spam this in character, RIP.

>Creating the concept of knowledge certainly is more than decent. Also again, Arceus is a verstile and strategic fighter, why would he be stupid and stick to one ability "in-character"

“Physics Manipulation”

Seems baseline, nothing amazing.

>Applaud to such a groundbreaking argument. Literally no refutes, just a basically, "this is meh because I say so"

“Resistance Negation (Its Battle Trozei and Conquest ability does normal damage even if the target is resistant)”

'Resistances in pokemon just mean you take less damage from the attack mind you and not fully resist it. Only times that’s diff is if it’s something to do with immunities, and daily reminder, this is basic potency stuff. But this resistance negation would not work on a naturally resistant character.'

>You do realize there are so many abilities that negate resistences, Miracle Eye removes psychic resistance. "Omnipotent" negates the resistence an opponent has to any move

>Did you just use hardcore gameplay mechanics over what's portrayed consistently. LMAO, resistences in Pokemon are no different from any other series

“Forcefield Creation (Protected by a constant shield that protects it from invasive abilities such as Mind Attacks as well as ordinary attacks, can actively create them itself)”

So safe against basic potency mind manipulation and regular attacks, any other hax negs.

>You do realize this works on even The Lake Guardians, right, one of which being Uxie, aka Knowledge the concept

“Statistics Amplification”

This is only useful when you know the fight is coming down to who's stronger and who doesn’t haxrape.

>Arceus is a Nigh-Omniscient (argubly Omniscient) being himself, of course he'd know this

“Regeneration (Low-Mid)”

'Wait what? WHAT?'

>I already explained why Arceus has WAY bigger regen than that and why this is just VBW downplay

HOW IS THIS MAN “2ND STRONGEST 2-B” YET HAS THIS FODDER REGEN :sob: :sob: :sob: :sob: :sob: :sob:

>The fact you unironically use emojis in a debate makes Ben Shapiro die inside, but even he wouldn't be stupid enough to deal with you, so I kinda take that back

“Conceptual Manipulation (Created the very concepts of Time, Space, Antimatter, Emotion, Knowledge and Willpower directly from its own being)”

'Damn man, Bravely Second has it’s money running for it!!!! Now: A. Does he spam this in character? And B. Does he open up with this? If either one is “no” then that’s a laugh.'

>Can you give a valid reason why Arceus wouldn't use this in character when everything suggests everywise

>Can you define what Arceus's "character" is, as you seem to lack understanding in what that is

“Resistance to Telepathy (Resisted the combined telepathic technique of Sheena and her ancestor which was able to effect the Creation Trio)”

Can resist telepathy that can affect 4Ds, something that a 4D would require damn.

>So basically your saying that every 4-D character who resists Telepathy from another 4-D charcter is unimpressive, that's nice to know

“Dimensional BFR (Functions as Sealing as well)”

Ok again, decent, but other 2-Bs have this too and resistance to it.

>If Arceus doesn't even have to move to do this, when why would it be only decent

“Gravity Manipulation”

Unless he has umineko potency gravity manip this is most certainly not something crazy for a 4D.

You do realize that he can use this on Palkia, in fact, he literally uses this on them many times. Also Gravity is theorized to exist as high as 5 Dimensions, so I would like prove it wouldn't work relative to 4-D characters

“Power Absorption/Power Mimicry (Can take the powers of its enemies and infuse them with the Plates)”

'Tfw even Heroes Goku has this, and by take does it mean steal? If so I know several tier 9s that have that, again decent.'

>My nigga, There are many moves that can mimic opponents powers, some like Me First or Mimic don't even need time and passively work upon activation

>Exactly what it means, removing the powers of someone and taking it for themselves

“Precognition (Its Pokémon Conquest ability, Omnipotent, allows it to foresee and dodge incoming attacks)”

So he needs to use a move in order to see the future, what person would allow him to do that?

>Omniscience exists for that exactly. Try Again

“Acausality”

'It’s never elaborated on but seeing as it goes under the “there’s only one version of him” I’m assuming type 2. Which only would stop shit like fate manip and precognition, two things not even required to beat Arceus.'

Arceus has many forms of Immortality


 * Type 3:  Its consciousness exists all across space and time. Time and Space are just aspects of Arceus


 * Type 4: 

""The Distortion World is said to be another world on the underside of this one. A strange dimensional space in which this world's logic doesn't apply. Time doesn't flow, and space is unfixed. And it's said that in this mysterious world, the legendary Pokemon Giratina resides.""

""Hitomi: Ufufu... The Distortion World, such a wonderful name... 'The laws of reality must even distort there.."

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/210930-pokemon-ultra-sun/75582048

https://www.pokemon.jp/special/forme/zukan01/

Oh and this too

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/7/71/DWGiratinaNTD.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20190301192009

“Power Nullification (Should possess Dialga's Time Crystal TCG ability, and Giratina's Renegade Force and Devour Light TCG abilities)”

”Can nullify any form of healing or regeneration with Heal Block (It has been shown to be effective up to Mid-High Regen)”

If you don’t have Low-Godly by the time you’re tier 2 you better have a bunch of broken shit otherwise you’re a joke so them being able to negate regen up to this is irrelevant.

>Literally there are a shitton of abilities that nullift abilities actively and passively. Do I have to bring up Miracle Eye and many other abilities again

“Power Nullification (Shadow Force in the TCG has a 50% chance of making the opponent's next attack completely useless, damage, hax, and all. The Devour Light ability prevents other abilities from activating as long as Giratina is out. The Renegade Pulse ability negates the effects of attacks, including damage, that hit it)”

'Oh damn ok this might actually be go- annnd it’s a 50% chance, and it Arceus does not have the “devour light” ability when he enters RIP. Also does arceus spam this in character or no.'

>Arceus can manipulate probability scaling off of Victini to make things go in his favor...So try again

“Can hit Selectibly intangible entities (Due to the aforementioned Omnipotent ability)”

'Only selectively and not full on intangibility? Wow, that’s fodder. Like even some tier 8s are laughing rn.'

>What they mean by Selectiby Intanigle is when someone who can choose whether they are Intangible or not. That doesn't change the fact he can hit Intangle beings (Which is fodder compared to the fact he hits Non-Corporeal and Abstract Entities)

“OHK (Via Perish Song that causes the user to faint)”

Takes 5 turns meaning just one-shot Arceus in that time period.

>Gameplay Mechanic...Nice Try Tho

“Can pass through forcefields with Future Sight”

So durability negation, which a lot of tier 2s have and should have, also basic potency.

>Define basic, because being able to bypass barriers is not basic

“Healing (Via Refresh and Recover)”

Irrelevant to hax matches.

>E L A B O R A T E

“Resistance to Spacetime Erasure”

I’d hope a being that is supposed to view space-time as linear would be resistant to this.

Ummm no, being beyond linear time wouldn't prevent you from being erased across Space and Time lol

“Soul Manipulation”

Quite literally most tier 2s should have this, if not all.

Arceus created the Ghost Types and as such, souls...Conceptual level, try again

“Danmaku (Judgment is depicted as a rapid downpour of dozens of bolts of energy in the games, and most of its attacks in Guardian Signs fall under this)”

'Damn man strongest 2-B alive tbh. If you don’t have good range at tier 2 already then you’re a laughing stock, decent, but nothing that requires the hype.'

>Has at minimum 2-C range, 2-A range for normal circumstances

“Sleep Manipulation (Likely wakes up Lucas/Dawn in Darkrai's event)”

'Likely, likely. And it’s fodder asf too as it’s only done on two random humans. RIP.'

>Why would who Arceus did it on matters, all hax of a character would be relative to their dimensional level. That's like saying an Outerversal entity has to prove their hax is also beyond dimensions, which logically should come with being a beyond dimensional being

“Willpower Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation”

Via creating people that embody that, refer to my point on how a creation thing for manipulation isn’t helpful in combat.

>No Smart guy, he has it for creating those concepts directly and those concepts being aspects of him

“Immunity to Absolute Zero”

'Oh boy we running into the use of the word “immunity” which is huge ass hyperbole. Anyways, nothing special at tier 2.'

> E L A B O R A T E

“Resistance to having things about it changed (Arceus and Silvally, who's built with an RKS [Arceus] System, are immune to Soak, which changes the type of the user)”

That’s just resistance to changing ones physiology, which is not even that good lol.

>Changing the type of a user would be Biological Manipulation/Superpower Manipulation (Can't think of what exactly it is), which is impressive as that means you can change what Arceus's powers are and they will stay the same

“Resistance to Sleep and Dream Manipulation (Can act in its sleep, upscaled from Dialga, who could use its time abilities while unconscious, and can override Darkrai's control of the dream)”

So basic potency resistances.

> E L A B O R A T E

Holy damn, THIS is supposed to be a broken, busted, second strongest 2-B? The fuck was cal and that crew smoking? This is decent at best lol, his best hax he doesn’t even spam in-character RIP.

Let’s see how arceus opens up when he fights:

>Starts off with basic energy attacks here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gLddL4JROY

>My god dude, just because he does so in this instance doesn't mean he's going to do this every fight. Not only is this concept of "leading hax" flawed by it's very nature, but the same fight literally fucking shows Arceus is verstile, stretegic and resourceful...Why in the world would they do stupid shit like that in a normal combat situation where their life is on the line

'I could go on but I think I made my point, the Arceus hype needs to die and stop this llama fodder asf, you guys were so busy getting mad at him being put at below 5-B cause he got hurt by a meteor you didn’t even realize that he could be wayyyy better there then he is at 2-B, 2-A, or High 2-A. Ik what the next question is “b-but bendy you only showed tier 2-B characters, what about the others!!111!”'

'This llama is most certainly not “broken” or “busted”. Quality > Quantity. Tune in next time for when I break down other overhyped people that are not the least bit “good”.'

>Please stop talking, you've shown you've lacked so much knowledge in Pokemon. Clearly your a fake fan and have hardily ever studied the lore or anything of that nature. Arceus would be a decent, if not one of the most broken for whatever tier he is and the fact you are stretching this far to make him seem weak is utterly disgusting