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"Dude, you aren't getting my point. It doesn't matter how many times he has fought Parallax, It's a blatant inconsistency and creates a plot hole with Emerald Twilight. Why would Hal Jordan be able to beat an emotional entity when he's clearly portrayed as below them and is POWERED by one. Additionally, it would contradict Emerald Twilight heavily, where Hal Jordan had to literally go beyond his regular power just to become Parallax to begin with (which would make no sense if his base just happened to be as powerful as an amp)"

That's because he is the strongest Lantern and his willpower..you are getting the point.

"You literally haven't provided anything that suggests that, that's basically baseless as all hell"

Really? Krona had the power of all seven electromagnetic embodiments under his control, which very well includes both Ion and Parallax

"How does any of this prove that a single emotional entity>all emotion entities put together"

Because he had their powers. But he still surpassed Ion which is WAY Over Universal.

"Already provided a source that debunks most "Universal" feats you've presented"

VSBW is not reliable.

"That WAS NOT a normal Captain Atom, he was empowered by The Void. You either are taking this out of context or haven't read the story in which this appeared "

It does not matter.Captain Atom is Multiversal

"You literally haven't proven to me whether it was an Imperiex Probe or Imperiex-Prime...Literally that's all you have to do because his probes are not as powerful as his actual self"

Brainiac appeared from the shadows in his recently modified Warworld (made from Pluto) and absorbed all of the energy of Imperiex-Prime inside himself and Warworld itself (stated multiple times in the scans below).

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Superman sundips and emerges, destroys the Imperiex-empowered Brainiac robots, the Warworld constructs, and the beam tendrils.

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However, after realizing Imperiex-Prime is still alive and that just destroying Brainiac's Warworld will unleash Imperiex back into the universe to cause the Big Bang, Superman comes up with a plan to push Warworld through a temporal Boom Tube to the beginning of time.

Arguably the most impressive feat of all this besides being at least a hundred times more powerful than the Aegis Armor is that he's pushing Warworld into the Boom Tube even with Warworld using its "full thruster countermeasures" pushing back on Sundipped Superman. This is impressive, because Brainiac's Warworld is still utilizing the energy of Imperiex-Prime, a being capable of unleashing a Universe level attack.

Brainiac is shocked at Superman's power. People like to argue that Superman is just pushing a planet the size of Pluto here, but if that was all he was doing then Brainiac wouldn't be so shocked. Before this point, Superman has split moons in half larger than Pluto, moved planets around, and performed feats greater in just his normal form. Brainiac is shocked because Superman is somehow overcoming his thrusters.

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"You explained why that feat is invalid, what feats do the avatar of death have because an avatar is never equal to the original being unless stated other wise"

He literally caused the Universe to collapse on Superman. And if you are saying it was a dream..

But as the agent of death says, if Superman chose to delude himself in believing it was all dreams then that was his choice. But that Superman should be aware that there are places where mind and matter intersect. And that he and death had been facing each other in such a place.

So everything we see happening to Superman that seemed to be simple nightmares were as real as anything else.

"Patching a part of space and time is not even a feat, it's hax. For this to even be a feat, Superman would need to repair space and time on a universal scale"

He did with his Heat Vision, Superman used his Heat Vision to fix the fabric that separates the Godly dimension that exists in the 4th dimension, from the Multiverse.

"How is this a feat, he broke through an endless loop in Hypertime, that is not a feat whatsoever"

Because he literally BROKE Hypertime.

"Not how that works, nothing suggests he's the same level of power and if anything, it's implied that Rebirth heroes only have the MEMORIES of their original counterparts, not power (and this is even shown in the works itself, as they have done nothing on the level of their silver age counterparts)"

Nothing suggesting that he grew weaker. Also Hal contained the U-Bomb, so he never grew weaker since the Crisis.

"And again, you are ignoring the thread that debunks most of what you are presenting, this is getting to levels of Ad Nasuem"

VSBW is not reliable.

">1-A New Gods

>HAHAHAHA NOOOO"

I'd suggest to read this blog.

"It's actually implied that he destroy 10 solar systems one by one, that's 4-B. You have to provide evidence he destroyed all 10 Solar Systems at the same time"

He was far from his best. Yet Superman matched him, and he held back.

"No, what is being said is that she is moving so fast she'll create a spatial tear and destroy the universe. That's hax, not power that applies to her normally. When you also consider speedsters are more powerful when they run than at a standstill, it makes sense and would debunk them being normally that powerful "

This is literally IMP.

"False, Mogo is literally lighting up the universe. This is different than what you are implying and it's consistently shown that lighting up the universe produces 4-B scale energy at most (unless the universe is REALLLY big)"

This would give him Universal range at least.

"Death feats can be used so long it's their power and not some special ability that happens at death"

Alan was from his best. And he is weaker then Hal Jordan and Superman.

"Just means he's above baseline, doesn't prove he's stronger"

He scales to Kal Kent who held a Galaxy. Indeed above 4-B.

And you are ignoring the other Universal feats!

Kyle Rayner defeated an aberration that was breaking down the laws of space and time and the universe, remaking it into a world devoid of cause and effect and reason, and these changes were reverted by Kyle Rayner.

-Kyle Rayner containing Imperiax, a Universal being who has the power of the Big Bang itself

-Hal Jordan containing the Universe Busting U-Bomb

-Superman claiming that he could destroy the Phantom Zone. The Phantom Zone is an interdimensional realm outside the normal plane of existence on the edge of the DC Multiverse, actually between it and the Dark Multiverse.It is often stated to be an infinite plane of existence similar to Purgatory.

-^ Hyperbole? He almost did at once

-Hal Jordan defeating Captain Atom who recreated and destroyed a Universe in a nanosecond.

-Hal Jordan Bending reality during his fight with Sinestro

-Kon-El harming Superboy-Prime, who tanked a blast from COIE Anti-Monitor

-Kal-L and Kal-El altering reality , re-writing timelines breaking space and time and shaking the Multiverse during their brawl

Superman has fought Brainiac 13 on three different occasions, who can ravage timelines and rewrite the universe

Captain Atom oneshotted Jenny Quantum, a Universal being

Wally West collapsed Hyper-time

Wally West ran through and destroyed Hyper-Time

Superman can fight against Nebula Man, who is a universe

-Superman cracking the Source Wall , which could have destroy the Universe

-Superman has taken blasts from a Lex Luthor with “Infinite Power”.

Lex was so powerful even Death had to stop doing what he does.

Lex could do almost everything and anything. So what does he chooses to do with that power? Kill Superman obviously.

So Lex tried…

And he tried…

And he tried…

Not really even beating Superman. Less alone killing him.

You see Lex stole this power from the Zone Child. And the Zone Child curse that act by making it so if Lex used his powers to do evil acts, then the power stolen would eventually leave him.

And so it does.

Superman has battled and beaten Darkseid.

Darkseid oneshotted Captain Atom

Tanked a bomb that could have destroyed all existence

Broke the magical bindings of Earth-2 Doctor Fate

Physically beats up Eclipso, a universal threat

Darkseid consumed multiple Universes

Darkseid one shot defeated the Green Lantern of Earth-2 (universe 2) when Alan Scott was wielding the Multiversal Green Itself.

'''One shot! '''And it was over.

But that same Darkseid, that was killed and then brought back with his power,plus the Anti-Life Equation (allows for Multiversal reality warping), plus the power of Mazahs linked to the Rock of Eternit y (nexus of all magic in the Multiverse), plus a bunch of powers Mazahs stole…

This new and improved Darkseid fires his Omega Beams, and Superman tanks the attack…

…with only one arm!

-Orion could destroy 1/5 of a Universe, which is over 5 duodecillion light years in diameter

-Contains the Oblivion Bomb, with the force to annihilate a universe.

-Barry Allen is capable of destroying the space-time continuum.

When it comes to DC scaling and feats, i'd suggest on reading/watching this, this and this