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Okay:

"Doesn't matter how many times he's done it. It's still inconsistent since Zero Hour Hal Jordan is explicitly as powerful as a emotional entity and Hal Jordan is nowhere near that level. He's literally powered by an emotional entity, so why would he need them as a power source if he's superior....It creates a blatant contradiction and as such, it's an outlier"

Seriously.. Hal matching Parallax is not an outlier. He did it dozens of times.

"You do realize that not all Spectres are equal. They range from hosts and as such this is invalid to use as a reasoning. Additionally, Korona empowered with all emotional entities should be above Parallax who's only one"

Korona matched Jim Corrigan, who is the classic Spectre

"It wouldn't matter if she has multiversal feats or not. It would be inconsistent to scale her to The Godwave when it's explicitly on the level of The New Gods and Greek Gods. Whom of which are superior to earthly superheroes in their true forms"

You do realize she got her powers from the Greek Gods right?

"That doesn't remotely refute my point"

You said he died so i corrected you. Not a problem after all.

"Nothing suggests that...Like no feats or statements suggests Ion, Parallax or ETC. could beat their other emotional counterparts when alone. That would be illogical when you think about it, as if I'm all emotions at once, why would a single emotion be stronger than all of them put together"

As for Korona:

Takes away Ion

Forces the entities in the Guardians of the Universe

Wields all the rings and one-shots Ganthet

Drains power rings

"These other feats I ignored because they are outliers"

I could count 10 Universal feats with ease. There are just 11 Solar System level feats and over 10 Uni feats.

"Any proof that Hal Jordan was fighting an unrestricted Captain Atom. He can only achieve his universal stuff when he's at full power or monarch"

A. Captain Atom is at least Low 2-C at normal state. Captain Atom was going to destroy several universes, and oneshotted Jenny Quantum, a Universal being

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As for Imperiax,

Superman battled Imperiex more than once, even took a direct blow from its energy essence and then shrugged it off like it was nothing. Imperiex being part of the Big Bang itself and was capable of creating a new Big Bang as long as it destroyed the Earth, that had become after Crisis on Infinite Earths the linchpin of the entire universe.

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As for applying it for a sun dip Superman, it's okay. Still Superman though

And now allow me to show you another Universal feats.

Manhattan has recently revealed that Earth-0 is not actually a Universe but a Metaverse centered entirely on Superman.

Basically a Metaverse is the root of the tree that is the Multiverse.

And everything that happened to Superman has a profound effect not just on the Multiverse but also higher dimensions, even the one where the gods live.

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So the Metaverse that shapes the Multiverse as a whole and even beyond is shaped through the existence of one being alone. So the existence of Superman shapes the entire DCU.

Even Darkseid, a god that has conquered and consumed countless Universes needed Superman help to break free of the Source Wall.

Next let's go to the big opponents Superman has had to face.

So first let's start with Death. Superman has faced an actual Avatar of Death and won

He has faced Lords of Hell and not only survived their attacks but he was also able to survive an explosion that killed Blaze (another Lord of Hell).

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Superman used his Heat Vision to fix the fabric that separates the Godly dimension that exists in the 4th dimension, from the Multiverse. So Superman Heat Vision can cut through the fabric of the universe and destroy it. Just like I showed he can also currently do in his Rebirth version.

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Superman has also faced Mageddon that was such a threat even celestial beings like the angel Azrael was afraid it. And it wasn't just one angel. The entire celestial court of the angels and even other gods feared Mageddon for he could bring an end to everything in the DCU.

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Mageddon was such a threat that the GODS wanted to leave the Universe and build a NEW ONE.

Superman has even escaped a trap set up by Vandal Savage. A trap in Hypertime. Where Hypertime is in essence infinite time and space.

So current Rebirth Superman broke free of infinity.

And then let us not forget when Brainiac stole psionic energy of every mind on Earth, even that of metas like Martian Manhunter, but a temporarily empowered Lois by Brainiac himself, turned on Brainiac and transfered all the mental energy of over seven billion people into Superman.

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That energy according to Brainiac himself was more than enough to reshape the universe into whatever one wanted it to be.

And you are forggetting that pre-Crisis Green Lantern was 2-C, and since post Crisis Hal and pre-Crisis Hal are the same person, post Crisis WOULD SCALE TO 2-C AS WELL.

And again, there multiple Universal feats.

Kyle Rayner defeated an aberration that was breaking down the laws of space and time and the universe, remaking it into a world devoid of cause and effect and reason, and these changes were reverted by Kyle Rayner.

-Kyle Rayner containing Imperiax, a Universal being who has the power of the Big Bang itself

-Hal Jordan containing the Universe Busting U-Bomb

-Superman claiming that he could destroy the Phantom Zone,which is an Anti-Universe

-^ Hyperbole? He almost did at once

-Hal Jordan defeating Captain Atom who was going to destroy several universes

-Hal Jordan Bending reality during his fight with Sinestro

-Kon-El harming Superboy-Prime, who tanked a blast from COIE Anti-Monitor

-Kal-L and Kal-El altering reality , re-writing timelines breaking space and time and shaking the Multiverse during their brawl

- Jenni Ognat is basically just stated to be able to destroy the universe

Superman has fought Brainiac 13 on three different occasions, who can ravage timelines and rewrite the universe

Captain Atom was going to destroy several universes, and oneshotted Jenny Quantum, a Universal being

Wally West collapsed Hyper-time

Wally West ran through and destroyed Hyper-Time

Superman can fight against Nebula Man, who is a universe

-Superman cracking the Source Wall, which could have destroy the Universe

-Pre-Crisis Hal Jordan and Post Crisis Hal Jordan are the same person

And now i'll copy-paste what i said earlier:

Superman shaking a solar system during his battle with Darkseid, Superman throwing a compressed solar system, surviving the collision between New Genesis and Apokolips, withstanding an explosion the size of 50 Keplar supernovae, holding a black hole capable of destroying the solar system, surviving attacks from the Void Hound, which is capable of easily destroying 10 star systems, tanking a blast from a Sun Eater, which can destroy star systems, Alan Scott's death being stated to be capable of destroying the solar system, Mogo lighting up the universe, John Stewart creating a solar system, and this calc for the Infinite Mass Punch.

So we have a total of 11 feats. I'll start by debunking several of these feats as being Solar System level.

New Genesis and Apokolips Platonic, archetypal worlds that transcend the concepts of space and time and are consistently on that level. Superman tanks the collision of Apokolips and New Genesis as well as shakes the star system in his fight with Darkseid there while he's Boomtube amped in size, and since Universes are in size of BUBBLES so the feats are indeed above Low 2-C.

The Void Hound is stated to have destroyed 10 star systems, so it should be 4-A, and some like to argue that it did it over time. The opposite was implied, considering it was implied to be casual, and we go the route if just assuming feats like that are over time, it wouldn't even be 4-B, because the planets could be destroyed one by one and the stars one by one. As a matter of fact, the stars could be destroyed after a long time of firing attacks, so we could go the route of saying it isn't even 4-C with the same logic.

The Sun Eater is literally stated to be the size of a nebula. Could easily be 4-A from just that alone, and with the exact case of the Void Hound, star systems is plural. Are people make the same argument, and with that, I use the same argument from the last paragraph.

The Infinite Mass punch is a good one, because people like to use this one as a nail-in-the-coffin sort of argument where they mention how "this is Superman's most powerful attack because when he uses it, it fatigues him and it's only calculated to be 4-B". Well, Jenni Ognat is basically just stated to be able to destroy the universe with a really similar type of running capability, so is basically acknowledged there that the Infinite Mass Punch should be able to destroy the universe.

Mogo's feat is literally him restoring the universe from dying, and even if we look at it like it is a feat of him only lighting up the universe, the universes in DC are consistently infinite to 5 duocellion light years in diameter so it's definitely not only 4-B.

Now we're down to just 6 feats. Next, I'll just go over why some of these aren't even limiting.

Alan Scott's statement is literally just him dying and shouldn't be his full power whatsoever.

Superman throwing the compressed solar system is really casual.

Superman was severely weakened during the explosion the size of 50 Keplar supernovae.

Mogo's is literally just him thinking.

Superman was being weakened by the guy sending mental images of dying people into his brain, putting a greater strain on Superman than anything has.